{"id":7502,"date":"2018-05-21T08:08:03","date_gmt":"2018-05-21T13:08:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/?p=7502"},"modified":"2018-05-21T08:08:03","modified_gmt":"2018-05-21T13:08:03","slug":"why-reasoning-with-jordan-peterson-fans-cant-work-or-privilege-is-a-feeling-state","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/why-reasoning-with-jordan-peterson-fans-cant-work-or-privilege-is-a-feeling-state\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Reasoning with Jordan Peterson Fans Can&#8217;t Work, Or: Privilege is a Feeling State"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"2s7kh-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2s7kh-0-0\">\n<p>So Nellie Bowles wrote this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2018\/05\/18\/style\/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">piece of magic<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Then former <a href=\"https:\/\/static.currentaffairs.org\/2017\/12\/the-cool-kids-philosopher\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro<\/a> stayed up all night and sweated out <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailywire.com\/news\/30825\/new-york-times-runs-comprehensive-hit-piece-jordan-ben-shapiro\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">this response<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>My post here will avoid the content weeds to zero in on a single syntax transition that Shapiro made, and that somehow made it through editing. The indented graf is Bowles. The second sentence is a direct quote from Peterson. The second graf is Shapiro.<\/p>\n<p>Read how the highlight connects them.<\/p>\n<p>Slow down if you have to.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div data-offset-key=\"2s7kh-0-0\"><\/div>\n<div data-offset-key=\"2s7kh-0-0\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-7505 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1179\" height=\"483\" srcset=\"https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM.png 1179w, https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM-500x205.png 500w, https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM-300x123.png 300w, https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM-768x315.png 768w, https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM-150x61.png 150w, https:\/\/matthewremski.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/Screen-Shot-2018-05-19-at-3.02.41-PM-480x197.png 480w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width:767px) 480px, (max-width:1179px) 100vw, 1179px\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"9qvrb-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"9qvrb-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"9qvrb-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"5ses8-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5ses8-0-0\">One more time, isolated:<\/div>\n<div data-offset-key=\"5ses8-0-0\"><\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<h4 class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5ses8-0-0\">Bowles: &#8220;[Peterson direct quote]&#8221; <em>he said<\/em>.<\/h4>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"cksmk-0-0\">\n<blockquote>\n<h4 class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"cksmk-0-0\">Shapiro:<em> This is not what Peterson is saying.\u00a0<\/em><\/h4>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"e0lkd-0-0\">\n<div data-offset-key=\"e0lkd-0-0\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"3vunp-0-0\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"3eukm-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"3eukm-0-0\">\n<p>This freaked me out. I talked it through with my partner Alix to get clearer on it. Here&#8217;s what we explored together:<\/p>\n<p>It never matters what Peterson <em><strong>said<\/strong><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>It matters what he&#8217;s <em><strong>saying<\/strong><\/em>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"3eukm-0-0\">As in: generally, and all the time. And most specifically (speaking as a Peterson devotee): right now, in my head, as my internal homunculus of reassurance.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"3vkmi-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"3vkmi-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"3vkmi-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"2osqm-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2osqm-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2osqm-0-0\">According to Shapiro&#8217;s brain fart, glorious here in black and white, Peterson isn&#8217;t a thinker who must commit to recorded words and take responsibility for them. He is a presence to be lived with, ingested, felt, harmonized with. He is wisdom incarnate. You must form a relationship with him to receive his light.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"5is94-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5is94-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"5is94-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"69hkv-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"69hkv-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"69hkv-0-0\">This is why, you non-believers, you have to keep listening to him &#8212; to get what he&#8217;s <em><strong>saying<\/strong><\/em>. Right now. Never mind what he <a href=\"http:\/\/nationalpost.com\/opinion\/jordan-peterson-the-right-to-be-politically-incorrect\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em><strong>wrote<\/strong><\/em><\/a> in the National Post, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=D-xf9hKfLws\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em><strong>said<\/strong><\/em><\/a> to Camille Paglia. To really understand Peterson you have to watch another YouTube video, or go to an event. It&#8217;s all in the present tense. Go ahead &#8212; tune in, he&#8217;s still talking. He&#8217;s always still talking. For someone so apparently preoccupied with history, he is seen as living entirely in the present tense. He&#8217;s always available for you to be with him. He&#8217;s Daddy internet.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"5ks1n-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"5ks1n-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"5ks1n-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"1j2j8-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"1j2j8-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"1j2j8-0-0\">Alix pointed out that when Peterson is quoted by a critic, his supporters don&#8217;t respond with a contrasting quote. This the clearest evidence that they are answering with an appeal to relationship. What&#8217;s at stake for them is not the data but that their feeling of being in relationship with Peterson is being ignored.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"76ms0-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"76ms0-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"76ms0-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"a1jub-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"a1jub-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"a1jub-0-0\">It&#8217;s true. They respond with a feeling-based generalized summary that is unfalsifiable. That generalized summary always dodges the specific political implications of the original quote. The implications of the original &#8212; usually that someone should shut up, that someone should become more orderly &#8212; are dodged because they don&#8217;t accord with the expansive, warm, father&#8217;s-embrace feeling with which the follower is entranced.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"9kvfr-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"9kvfr-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"9kvfr-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"apf7n-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"apf7n-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"apf7n-0-0\">&#8220;That&#8217;s not what he means&#8221; stands in for &#8220;when I&#8217;m in his presence I don&#8217;t feel the consequences of his statements.&#8221;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"4j8oq-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"4j8oq-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"4j8oq-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"2ef83-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"2ef83-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"2ef83-0-0\">Further, it means: &#8220;Don&#8217;t take this feeling away from me.&#8221;<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"a0kdj-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"a0kdj-0-0\"><span data-offset-key=\"a0kdj-0-0\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"\" data-block=\"true\" data-editor=\"b1uji\" data-offset-key=\"ecc3l-0-0\">\n<div class=\"_1mf _1mj\" data-offset-key=\"ecc3l-0-0\">\n<p>The critic of Peterson is pointing to a data point. The facts of Bill C16. The meaninglessness of the lobster analogy. That postmodernism doesn&#8217;t mean what he says it means. That &#8220;Cultural Marxism&#8221; isn&#8217;t a thing. That the subaltern is.<\/p>\n<p>The supporter, by contrast, is asking you to participate in an emotion.<\/p>\n<p>So\u00a0 why is Peterson so polarizing? Because the emotion he is asking you to participate in is proprietary to one particular group.<\/p>\n<p>Privilege &#8212; white, male, educated &#8212; is an embodied feeling-state for those who have it. It doesn&#8217;t need to be justified by facts, it&#8217;s simply how things are. It is so pervasive it does not rise to conscious awareness, except as a vague expansive sense of entitlement over space.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s unconsciously natural for privilege to rubberneck. It&#8217;s unconsciously natural to manspread, interrupt, order drinks with a raised finger, hold court about things beyond your training or your responsibility to your peers.<\/p>\n<p>Expansive is the key word here. The feeling is one of boundarylessness. Perhaps it&#8217;s the somatic drive behind capitalism.<\/p>\n<p>These somatics of privilege only become more sharply sensible (and then, constitute territory to be defended) when the facts of structural power are spoken aloud by a previously silenced voice. It can be bell hooks on patriarchy, Judith Butler on gender, or Ta&#8217;Nehisi Coates on the case for reparations. It can be anything that is too true to have been heard before.<\/p>\n<p>When jagged facts slam into entitled feelings, the ability of privilege to breathe so freely, to speak without interruption, to pace on the stage for hours in self-absorption are all challenged. Privilege is offered limits and marked with shame.<\/p>\n<p>Somebody, suddenly, is asking the feeler of privilege whether it really is so natural, whether it is merited, whether it might constitute stolen goods. Somebody is asking you to be accountable for the space you have taken on that stage, in that university, over all those pages. Somebody is showing you what your words mean to those beyond the sphere of your comfort and order.<\/p>\n<p>For the first time in you can&#8217;t remember how long, you feel doubt. So what do you do? You say, as loudly as you can, that your freedom of speech is being taken away. You say it, unopposed, over and over again.<\/p>\n<p>What does this all suggest? It means that all you noble friends suffering through hours of PetersonTube to prove he&#8217;s intellectually corrupt with think pieces (like this one) as long as his supporters produce won&#8217;t get anywhere.<\/p>\n<p>The argumentation of his supporters does not aspire to clarity. It exists to exercise and enhance a feeling-state. You think you\u2019re arguing with someone, but really they\u2019re doing masturbatory cardio. It feels so good for them.<\/p>\n<p>Somehow that feeling-state must be met, accounted for, and exchanged for one that does not depend, like capitalism, on endless expansion in order for the person who feels it to believe they exist.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>____<\/p>\n<p><strong>Addendum:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve got to follow up at some point with an exploration of how the privilege feeling-state intersects with sensations of shame and inadequacy. Here it is in meme form:<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div style=\"width: 973px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SethAbramson\/status\/997980968886644736\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/media\/Ddm3gpWVMAAY4Kb.jpg:large\" alt=\"\" width=\"963\" height=\"1200\" \/><\/a><p class=\"wp-caption-text\">via @_davidmadden_ on Twitter, responding to Seth Abramson&#8217;s excellent thread: https:\/\/twitter.com\/SethAbramson\/status\/997980968886644736<\/p><\/div>\n<p>____<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE:<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ll just stick this in here, in response to a number of the comments below.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-thumbnail\" src=\"https:\/\/i.redd.it\/5pircerr6hz01.jpg\" width=\"450\" height=\"903\" \/><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So Nellie Bowles wrote this piece of magic. Then former Breitbart editor Ben Shapiro stayed up all night and sweated out this response. 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